Stuller was the the one and only company that would even give us a chance you know as far as the prototypes, the CounterSketch, and I actually had a friend of mine's son knew about Stuller. And she said oh if you're thinking about jewelry you need to you know, Google, look at their website and see and I actually contacted someone here and we got an account set up.  And oh, you've got to come to the Bench Jeweler Workshop and so we came and just really got interested in it it's become my passion. I love jewelry and gemstones and things like that.  So really Stuller gave us our first start, first glimpses of even having a jewelry store.